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    When I picked up our just purchased ’05 T-Bird I ask the dealer why there was no front license plate bracket. He told me a lot of owners didn’t want to drill holes in their car’s bumper and others just didn’t want to cover the clean lines of the T-Bird with a license plate. Our car was sold new by this same dealer and has always been a Texas car. Texas requires a front license plate and the previous owner had not installed one.

    I am not a purest car enthusiast – this ’05 T-Bird is the first car of this type I have ever owned - and didn’t really have any feelings one way or the other about drilling holes in the bumper or installing a front plate. When I picked up the license plates from the dealer he also gave me the original Ford front plate bracket. After owning the car for a few days I decided I didn’t want to drill holes in the front bumper.

    On our first outing in the T-Bird I was pulled over and warned, sort of,

    See here: http://www.thunderbirdnest.com/forum...ad.php?t=20795

    for not having a front plate. I had read a thread on TBN about installing the front plate without drilling holes in the bumper, so my goal was to do just that.

    See here: http://www.thunderbirdnest.com/forum...ad.php?t=18242

    I sent dbsupercrew an email to inquire if his design was still viable. In true fashion of a fellow TBN’er, he responded telling me he had made only one small modification and his bracket was working fine. Thanks Darrell. I also sent an email to maxkemp who had responded to the above thread with his own idea to modify Darrell’s design. He too responded and gave me the details of his modifications. Thanks Max. Both of these designs are working and are an option for the installation.

    I used the original Ford bracket, which does detract from the smooth lines of the front of the car, and designed an installation without drilling the bumper.

    The Ford bracket hooks over the bottom lip of the bumper. I used two alum. plates to clamp the bracket to the bumper. The pictures should explain the installation.

    Materials: 2 - alum. plates 2”x1/8"x7”
    4 – ¼’x3/4’ bolts w/jam nuts
    12 – lock washers (flat tooth type)
    8 – 1/4” flat washers

    The Ford bracket and the bumper lip could have been drilled so the bolts passed through the alum. plate, bracket, bottom lip of bumper, and alum. plate. However I chose to not drill through the bumper. Doing it this way requires spacers between the alum. plates so they remain parallel and will clamp with their entire surfaces touching the bracket and bumper. The spacers need to be just slightly thinner that the total thickness of the bracket plus the bumper lip.

    The installation is fairly simple, requiring only a boxed end wrench to fit the jam nuts and a socket wrench for the bolt heads. The space behind the bumper is small but I was able to get the wrench on the jam nuts and my hands are fairly large.

    Since the Ford bracket is attached to the bottom of the bumper, there is a small amount of movement (flop) at the top of the bracket. I haven’t done anything about that yet as I don’t think the movement is enough to be a problem. If I decide to secure the top of the bracket, then I will drill two holes in the bracket, behind the lic. plate, and run a plastic tie through the bracket and loop it around the center upright of the grille. This part of the grille is hidden behind the bracket and the tie will not be visible except on close examination.

    If anyone has any additional modifications or suggestions I would like to hear from them.

    Cliff
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    Last edited by BJHEN; Jun 1, 2008, 02:55 PM.

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        Nice simple Idea....Thanks Cliff !!

        Looks Good !

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        • #5
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          Now, that's a "Great" idea. I'm afraid to show my wife....
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            Glad to see mother of invention an yankee integrity is still alive!!!! Great mods to an original idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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              Nice state patrol pulled me over in my 02 and gave me a warning yesterday for no front plate. Very young kid, suspect he may have been the one who pulled George over a few weeks ago for the same thing in his Lightning (warning, too). I think the State Patrol has him on a mission in our area. So, since I drive this car too much is this area (around home), we will have to get that plate on the front.

              George isn't too pleased about this but the next stop will be a fine, not a warning, no matter how much George fumes about it. and the Inca has already had a warning too from last fall - so we have no leeway as the "kid" had the warning printed out in no time flat with all our data related to the car, which means the warnings are in the state system. no rest for us "wicked" in the state.

              Anyway, I've given George the directions for Cliff's and Dennis' methods. Don't know which one he'll choose
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                Re: Another No holes license plate bracket...

                This may be naive .. if you put the front license plate on and there are no holes drilled to mount it, can you tell the difference from those who actually drilled the holes in the bumper? Or is the point so that when the no holes attached plate falls off there will be no hole or is it when your state rescends the front liscence plate law you will be ready or is it that when you sell your used Tbird I should be prepared to give an additional premium if the front liscence plate has no holes under it? Will the no hole plate attachment system stay attached at 143mph? or does liscence plate drag limit these "plated cars" to 137mph?

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                  Re: Another No holes license plate bracket...

                  Dot,

                  My mod to lic. bracket has held up for a year. I did add two small strips - about 1" long on each side of bracket - of double sided foam tape to secure top of bracket to bumper. That was not totally necessary as it had only a slight movement. I cut tape so it is flush with outside edge of bracket so as not to be visible.

                  I really like Treken's mod to bracket:

                  http://www.thunderbirdnest.com/forum...license+holder

                  I think this is a much cleaner look. I'm sure that with a little engineering and some work fitting the bracket that my mounting mod could be used with this set up. I did not do this as I use a bra for road trips and the bra strap goes behind the bracket to help hold bra in place. With Treken's mod I don't see how that strap could be placed behind bracket.

                  George can contact me if he has any questions.

                  Cliff

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                    Re: Another No holes license plate bracket...

                    Originally posted by justjon View Post
                    This may be naive .. if you put the front license plate on and there are no holes drilled to mount it, can you tell the difference from those who actually drilled the holes in the bumper? Or is the point so that when the no holes attached plate falls off there will be no hole or is it when your state rescends the front liscence plate law you will be ready or is it that when you sell your used Tbird I should be prepared to give an additional premium if the front liscence plate has no holes under it? Will the no hole plate attachment system stay attached at 143mph? or does liscence plate drag limit these "plated cars" to 137mph?
                    No, you can't tell the difference when bracket is mounted. For me it was just the idea of drilling those holes in my new T-bird. Maybe some day I'll sell it to a new owner that lives in a state that does not require a front plate. Will it add a premium to the price? I doubt it but maybe the new owner will appreciate the clean bumper without holes.

                    Not sure if front plate effects top end speed - I'm not interested in driving at 143mph or even 137mph, but if I ever try to find my top end speed I'll let you know.

                    Cliff

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                      Re: Another No holes license plate bracket...

                      Nebraska does require a front plate as well. My car had no holes in it when I bought it and I was not about to put holes in the front of it. After about 8 seconds of looking at this I figured a solution about as simple as it gets.
                      All you need are 2 plastic zip ties. Less than a dime for both. Drill holes in the actual bracket and zip tie to the grill. I put rubber edging on the bracket where it meets the paint. I remove this once a year or so and clean and wax behind it. Costs me 10 cents to put it back on. Pictures attached. No need to over engineer this.
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                        Re: Another No holes license plate bracket...

                        Originally posted by CapnRon View Post
                        Nebraska does require a front plate as well. My car had no holes in it when I bought it and I was not about to put holes in the front of it. After about 8 seconds of looking at this I figured a solution about as simple as it gets.
                        All you need are 2 plastic zip ties. Less than a dime for both. Drill holes in the actual bracket and zip tie to the grill. I put rubber edging on the bracket where it meets the paint. I remove this once a year or so and clean and wax behind it. Costs me 10 cents to put it back on. Pictures attached. No need to over engineer this.

                        Good idea - simple and it works.

                        I considered using zip ties myself but after looking at the light "plastic" grill I was afraid of breaking the grill, which would be a bit more expensive to replace than my modified mount, from any small amount of stress put on the lic. bracket.

                        Cliff
                        Last edited by BJHEN; Sep 4, 2009, 04:20 PM.

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                          Re: Another No holes license plate bracket...

                          Capn Ron, what kind of liner did you use underneath to prevent scratching?? Very clean installation.
                          Bob S.

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                            Bob, I took some 1/4 in vacuum hose and sliced it down the middle. It fit
                            nicely along the edge of the license bracket.

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                              Thanks, Ron for your solution. George did that as he didn't have the time to do the other installs. works! now to get him to "finish" it off like you did so his tacky electrical tape can be removed
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