P060B Diagnostic Code; Stalled Bird

[pnwtbird05]

Hi everyone,

Hoping to get your diagnostic brains working to figure out what's going on with my non-running tbird. Searched these error codes on forum but get 0 results. It suddenly shut down while driving yesterday and now struggling to start or cutting off soon after starting (2005, 122k). When it does run, runs normally, no misfires, not in limp mode. Check engine light comes on steady,

Error Codes, in order that they showed:
P060B: Internal Control Module A/D Process Performance. //PCM issue?
P2107: Throttle actuator control module //TPS or throttle body? Simply a byproduct of the first code?

It sounded like fuel pump at first, but fuse/relay are fine and I can hear it prime. Replaced 8 Coil packs, 8 spark plugs and valve cover gasket about 2,000 miles ago, ran great following. Would it help to replace the TPS sensor? Look for a ground issue? Buy a refurbished PCM? If I fail i'll likely tow it to dealor, but i'm curious if any of you have thoughts before I do that.

[Brad]

I would try starting with starting fluid or spray gasoline into intake. If it starts or runs you know the issue is fuel related.

[CKocurek]

Mine just had this same problem. Not the code, but died on me and would only run for a second or two...kinda like low or no fuel pressure. Before this happened,I changed out my thermostat housing and disconnected MAF to get the breather out of my way etc etc. put everything back together. I ran the car about 45mins to bleed air out of coolant system. Ran perfect the whole time.Decided to take a quick run down the road, tromped it and it died. Pulled it back to the house. Started checking my connections that I reinstalled and as soon as I disconnected/reconnected the MAF, it ran perfect. Just a bad connection... going to clean and add dielectric grease to all these connections under the hood, TPS, EGR etc, just to be on safe side.

just for kicks, check your MAF connection :)... or the MAF could be bad...

[428PI]

CKocurek, make sure a piece of debris didn't get into the MAF sensor when moving it out of the way. It happened to me once. I barely made it back to the shop a couple miles away. Had a piece of something that got on the wires inside the MAF.

[BLACK BEAUTY]

Glad to see newbies with good info

[4LOWBIRDS+7]

Hi everyone,

Hoping to get your diagnostic brains working to figure out what's going on with my non-running tbird. Searched these error codes on forum but get 0 results. It suddenly shut down while driving yesterday and now struggling to start or cutting off soon after starting (2005, 122k). When it does run, runs normally, no misfires, not in limp mode. Check engine light comes on steady,

Error Codes, in order that they showed:
P060B: Internal Control Module A/D Process Performance. //PCM issue?
P2107: Throttle actuator control module //TPS or throttle body? Simply a byproduct of the first code?

It sounded like fuel pump at first, but fuse/relay are fine and I can hear it prime. Replaced 8 Coil packs, 8 spark plugs and valve cover gasket about 2,000 miles ago, ran great following. Would it help to replace the TPS sensor? Look for a ground issue? Buy a refurbished PCM? If I fail i'll likely tow it to dealor, but i'm curious if any of you have thoughts before I do that.

I have a 2003 that is producing a code P0606 wonder if that is the same as yours? Info says:

The PCM regularly runs a self-diagnosis function where it performs normal mathematical calculations, and if the results of these calculations are not as expected the PCM will set code P0606. The car will completely shut down, not limp, after about ten minutes.

[Brad]

In case you haven't already, disconnect the battery for 30 minutes to reset all systems

[4LOWBIRDS+7]

The PCM gave the same codes and turned off the engine in two cars, WW and 007. I will be sending the PCM to Russ as soon as the dealer gets it removed.

[pnwtbird05]

Thanks everyone. Tried a few recommendations but no fix as of yet:
-Cleaned MAF sensor (and connector)
-Disconnected battery for 30 minutes. Ran for a bit, then shut off again with same codes
-Cleaned battery terminals and wires/ground
-Checked for any frayed wires or connections, didn't find any.

Spoke with Ron (4LOWBIRDS+8), sounds like my symptoms are very similar to his, though we got two different PCM related codes (P060B vs P0606). I think my next step would be to pull the PCM out and have it rebuilt by Russ

[Welker]

I had a refrigerator repair man tell me once that when any computerized piece of equipment goes down if you think it is the board it is the board. If you think it is not the board it is the board. Long ago I posted the saga dealership incompetence related to my car going into limp mode. First i was told it was the harness and that there were none available and this was after they had the car for almost two months. I had always suspected it was the main module which the dealership said was no longer available. At that point I sought a new repair situation and found an electrical expert who ordered a new module which he installed and the car has run 25k since with no problems. Oh yeah, the new module came from the Ford dealer. I will say this for the dealership. It did put my car on a truck and deliver it to my new guy at no charge and gave me a check for $150.

[BillyL]

Just goes to prove again, the ford dealer is probably the worst place to take our birds. If you must use a dealership for maintenance, you are better off going to either a Lincoln or Jaguar dealer as their mechanics are more likely to have some experience with our engines. I was lucky enough to find a independent shop nearby with a mechanic who worked for the jaguar dealership many years and is familiar with the 3.9 engines and electronics.

[pnwtbird05]

Update to this issue, I put a brand new battery in despite the existing one being only 18 months old, Motorcraft branded, and passing O'Reilly's battery test. Started it up and died immediately like before. I cleared the codes (like I'd done several times before) just in case, this time they didn't come back. Put ~150 miles on it, no issues, no codes...

I was convinced the PCM was bad based on symptoms. It still might be (time will tell), but at least for now it seems my battery wasn't up to the task and causing weird electronic gremlins and engine cutting off. Anyone seen this before?

A side note, beware that some of the major part stores list the correct battery for these birds as a non-vented version. Oreillys and Autozone showed 3 options, all non-vented (cost $115 - $185).

[wcoates]

I was convinced the PCM was bad based on symptoms. It still might be

If a PCM, check this thread out. Many of us are running with re-built PCMs.

http://www.thunderbirdnest.com/forum...e-manufactuers

[sauernote]

Update to this issue, I put a brand new battery in despite the existing one being only 18 months old, Motorcraft branded, and passing O'Reilly's battery test. Started it up and died immediately like before. I cleared the codes (like I'd done several times before) just in case, this time they didn't come back. Put ~150 miles on it, no issues, no codes...

I was convinced the PCM was bad based on symptoms. It still might be (time will tell), but at least for now it seems my battery wasn't up to the task and causing weird electronic gremlins and engine cutting off. Anyone seen this before?

A side note, beware that some of the major part stores list the correct battery for these birds as a non-vented version. Oreillys and Autozone showed 3 options, all non-vented (cost $115 - $185).

I had weird issues with my 2002. Replaced the battery (4 years old and tested good), reset the idle, and now all is well. (For awhile, I hope.)

[4LOWBIRDS+7]

Update to this issue, I put a brand new battery in despite the existing one being only 18 months old, Motorcraft branded, and passing O'Reilly's battery test. Started it up and died immediately like before. I cleared the codes (like I'd done several times before) just in case, this time they didn't come back. Put ~150 miles on it, no issues, no codes...

I was convinced the PCM was bad based on symptoms. It still might be (time will tell), but at least for now it seems my battery wasn't up to the task and causing weird electronic gremlins and engine cutting off. Anyone seen this before?

A side note, beware that some of the major part stores list the correct battery for these birds as a non-vented version. Oreillys and Autozone showed 3 options, all non-vented (cost $115 - $185).

I hope this is your fix. My module is being repaired and should be back after Christmas.