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    Has anyone attempted to measure a possible battery drain when security system and nearly all other electrical devises are not running, maybe an exception for the clock and computer chip??? What was the drain, if any? I am considering making such a measurement on my 05 bird.

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    Re: Battery Drain???

    I don't think anyone has done that over the years. It can't be much. I still have my original battery in my Bird and it just turned 6 yrs old in Jan. I know one day I'll go into the garage and it will be dead so I'm ready to get a new one whenever that happens.
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    • #3
      Re: Battery Drain???

      Same here Gobird, ours will be 7 years old in June. We took delivery in October, but car was built in June 01. I figure one day I'll come out and it will be dead. If its still ticking by the time Desert Thunder II rolls around I will just go ahead and replace it.
      Last edited by yelobird2002; Mar 31, 2008, 07:49 PM.
      02 Bird yelo/yelo full accent
      20 Ford Escape SE

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      • #4
        Re: Battery Drain???

        Does anyone know where I can get access to ford tech service bullitin 05-22-9?

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          Re: Battery Drain???

          Gobird's & Yelowbird2002's Motorcraft battery longivity would make a good commercial for Motorcraft. Excellent life for a battery and they are still going.
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            Re: Battery Drain???

            Originally posted by blkbrd View Post
            Has anyone attempted to measure a possible battery drain when security system and nearly all other electrical devises are not running, maybe an exception for the clock and computer chip??? What was the drain, if any? I am considering making such a measurement on my 05 bird.
            I have made this measurement on my 04--the drain is about 130 miliamps, this is after you let the electrical system alone for approx 20 minutes ie don't switch anything on or off or open or close any doors. After 20 minutes of inactivty the power relays in the trunk time out or turnoff, before then the draw .65 amp.
            hope this helps
            Harry

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            • #7
              Re: Battery Drain???

              Harry, I hope you meant to say that "after then the draw is .65 amp." If so, then the Bird seems to be doing what it was designed to do. Thanks, Ira

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              • #8
                Re: Battery Drain???

                Originally posted by blkbrd View Post
                Does anyone know where I can get access to ford tech service bullitin 05-22-9?
                Ira: Go to the Tech section or the "garage" (On our home page) and you may be able to find it there

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                • #9
                  Re: Battery Drain???

                  Originally posted by blkbrd View Post
                  Harry, I hope you meant to say that "after then the draw is .65 amp." If so, then the Bird seems to be doing what it was designed to do. Thanks, Ira

                  Ira--
                  Before the relays turn off the draw is .65 amp or 650 miliamps--after they turn off, the draw is reduced to 130 miliamps
                  Harry

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                  • #10
                    Re: Battery Drain???

                    I do believe this must be the problem with the batteries going down when not driven too much. 130 milamps seems like a lot to me. The Battery Minder, Tender, Maintainer appears to be the fix. Thanks, Ira

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                    • #11
                      Re: Battery Drain???

                      I put my '04 in storage from November to April, 5 full months. I put a trickle charger on it in January and it had lost some charge as the charger kicked in for a few days, but the trunk popped with no problem. I was afraid of an overcharge so I disconnected it in February and reconnected it near the end of March about a week before I took it out April 1st. When I turned the key it started right up without hesitation and everything worked, window drop, tranny shifts, and radio stations which I would have lost if I removed the battery. (I bought a self monitoring charger for next year) From my experience you can store them for at least two months without incident.

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                        Re: Battery Drain???

                        Originally posted by blkbrd View Post
                        I do believe this must be the problem with the batteries going down when not driven too much. 130 milamps seems like a lot to me. The Battery Minder, Tender, Maintainer appears to be the fix. Thanks, Ira
                        Ira--Th battery tender can't hurt but 130 ma is very low. The T-bird battery must have at least a 400 ampere hour rating which means a fully charged battery could theoretically provide 400 amps for one hour. With a 130 ma draw, it would take approx 7.7 hours to dicscharge one amp or over 3000 hours to fully discharge at that current draw--you could theoretically store the car for over 100 days and still have power available. Of course, this all depends on battery age, condition, temperature, state of charge etc. Bottom line, a clean battery, in reasonably good condition should easily last a month or probably two in storage as per MERlot 07 post above. Mine has sat for as long as a month and started with no problems.
                        Also, if you drive it infrequently, I suggest that when you start it that you drive it or run it for 45 -50 minutes under good charging conditions i.e. a nice highway run with minimal heavy electrical loads -this is to make sure you recharge what it took out to start-up plus what you lost just sitting.
                        Harry

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                          Re: Battery Drain???

                          Harry, This info is exactly what I was looking for. The Birds that I have in mind sit for two to three months and then driven for short distances -- not enough to adequately charge the battery. I have purchased a BatteryMinder Plus (12V, 1.33a) and intend to hook it up every two or three weeks and leave it hooked up for about a week when the bird is not being driven much. By the way, I ordered the BatteryMinder Plus over the internet from Pacific Battery Systems. When I received it, I found it to be a top notch quality piece of equipment. Thanks, Ira

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                          • #14
                            Re: Battery Drain???

                            Originally posted by blkbrd View Post
                            Does anyone know where I can get access to ford tech service bullitin 05-22-9?
                            Ira: This is rather lengthy and really for use by the Ford Technicians. It was sent out originally by Joe Varey to many of our members and I'll copy it here for you, since I do not have the actual TSB on file:
                            BATTERY DRAIN DIAGNOSIS—SERVICE TIPS TSB 05-22-9
                            FORD: LINCOLN:
                            2002-2005 Thunderbird 2000-2006 LS
                            This article supersedes TSB
                            02-9-5 to update the When the ignition key is first shut off and removed,
                            vehicle model years. the vehicle is exited and the doors are closed, the
                            electrical system goes into “stand-by” mode, where


                            ISSUE
                            the REM and the FEM keep the System Switched
                            Some vehicles may exhibit excessive electrical Power (SSP) relays activated. After a minimum of
                            system current draw which could result in a 45 minutes, the REM and FEM will power down to
                            discharged battery and a no crank condition. prevent battery discharge. Power down mode
                            occurs when the REM and FEM “time out” and


                            ACTION
                            release the ground on all four (4) of the SSP
                            Use the following Service Information to monitor the relays. The SSP relays are wired in a fashion in
                            vehicle electrical system for excessive battery which they are either all on or all off. In other
                            current drain and repair as needed. words, the SSP relays cannot be operated
                            independent of each other. If power down does not SERVICE INFORMATION


                            occur, because of a system fault or errant SCP Link
                            activity, the REM and FEM will remain energized Having a firm grasp on the design and normal
                            along with the SSP relays and the other electrical operation of the electrical system will aid in properly
                            devices that they provide power. The REM and diagnosing and repairing any faults with electrical
                            FEM provide power and ground to devices such as components and/or circuitry.
                            exterior/interior lighting and many of the body
                            When the vehicle is at rest (ignition key turned off modules in the vehicle. The Wiring Diagrams
                            and removed), some amounts of battery current Manual may be referenced for additional information
                            drain will be present since many of the modules on the SSP relays, the REM and FEM, in Sections
                            and electronic components in the vehicle require 13 and 59.
                            this to sustain memory and system monitoring. The
                            Once the REM and FEM enter power down mode Powertrain Control Module (PCM), Anti-lock Brake
                            they will not energize the SSP relays until they are Module (ABS), Electronic Automatic Temperature
                            commanded to “wake up” by one (1) or more of the Control Module (EATC), Front Electronics Module
                            following commands: (FEM), Rear Electronics Module (REM), Driver Door
                            Module (DDM), Instrument Cluster Module (ICM), • Key Fob Activity (Any Command)
                            Roof Opening Panel Module, Heated Seat Module, • Door Ajar (Any Door)
                            Driver Seat Module, Cell Phone Module and Vehicle
                            • Luggage Compartment Ajar Switch Emergency Message System Module all have
                            • Drivers Power Seat Switch power supplied at all times for this purpose. Many
                            of these modules monitor activity and communicate • Power Tilt/Telescopic Steering Column
                            with each other through the Standard Corporate • Headlamps/Park Lamps On
                            Protocol (SCP) Link.
                            • Key In Ignition
                            • Key On Ignition
                            • Anti-Theft Hood Switch
                            • Brake Pedal Position Switch
                            • Memory Seat Switch
                            NOTE:
                            The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do
                            the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper
                            vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by “do-it-yourselfers”. Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a
                            Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation
                            determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article.The information in this Technical Service Bulletin
                            (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates.The most recent information is
                            available through Ford Motor Company’s on-line technical resources.


                            PROOF 25-OCT-05
                            Copyright
                            ã 2005 Ford Motor Company 037-2005-1477 037-2005-1477 PAGE 1


                            TSB 05-22-9 (Continued)
                            BATTERY DRAIN DIAGNOSIS
                            7. Drive the vehicle for at least 20 minutes over
                            30 mph (48 km/h) to reach full engine operating
                            In order to properly diagnose a battery drain temperature and to turn on and activate vehicle
                            concern, the following procedures must be followed systems. Make sure all electrical components
                            exactly as stated to produce the most accurate operate correctly like the horn, audio system,
                            results. exterior/interior lighting, climate control, etc.
                            1. Ask the customer how long the vehicle must sit 8. Open the Left Front and Right Front door and
                            before the battery goes dead. The vehicle is engage the latches so the vehicle interior can
                            equipped with a 750 amp hour battery from the be accessed without disturbing the modules
                            factory. If the battery is in proper working order, during this test.
                            it will be able to withstand a 1 amp draw for 48
                            hours without dropping the battery voltage 9. Lift the hood and compress the Anti-Theft Hood
                            below 10.5V. This information may help Switch with a clamp (if equipped).
                            determine the amount of current drain present.
                            10. Open the trunk lid and unplug the electrical For example, if a vehicle with a fully charged
                            connection to the Luggage Compartment Lamp. battery will not start after an overnight soak, it
                            Lift and secure the trunk floor panel hook to the can be assumed the battery current drain is
                            trunk opening pinch weld. The battery and the greater than 4 amps. This knowledge may aid
                            Rear Power Distribution Box are now easily in diagnosis.
                            accessible.
                            2. Check for any aftermarket equipment installed


                            NOTE
                            in the vehicle. Ask the customer if they
                            DO NOT ALLOW BATTERY POWER TO BE removed any aftermarket equipment before
                            DISCONNECTED FROM THE VEHICLE AT ANY bringing vehicle in for service. All aftermarket
                            TIME DURING THIS TEST. IF BATTERY equipment remaining should be removed before
                            DISCONNECT OCCURS, THE ENTIRE TEST proceeding with this test.
                            MUST BE PERFORMED AGAIN STARTING AT
                            3. Ask the customer if any electrical component(s) STEP 5.
                            is inoperative or malfunctioning. In many cases
                            11. Use a Multimeter (DVOM) with a MIN/MAX a draining battery concern can usually be
                            feature to measure the battery current drain. traced back to a component that has
                            The DVOM must be capable of reading DC experienced operational trouble.
                            milliamps (minimum 1mA) and have 10 amp -
                            4. Using an appropriate scan tool, check all fused capacity.
                            available modules in the vehicle for both
                            12. Use the following procedure to measure current on-demand and continuous memory diagnostic
                            drain. trouble codes (DTCs). Repair any on-demand
                            DTC’s before continuing with this article. a. Turn on the DVOM and select DC AMPS.
                            Record any continuous memory DTCs which
                            may aid in future diagnosis. b. Attach a large alligator clip on each side of
                            the Battery Saver/Anti-Theft Switch
                            5. Check that the vehicle battery is properly Terminals.
                            charged and that the charging system is
                            operating correctly. Refer to Workshop Manual c. Connect the DVOM in series by securing
                            Section 414-00. the leads to the alligator clips on the Battery
                            Saver/Anti-Theft terminals.
                            6. Install a quick disconnect style Battery
                            Saver/Vehicle Anti-Theft Switch between the d. Loosen the knob on the Battery
                            negative battery post and cable, such as Saver/Anti-Theft Switch to break the contact
                            Littlefuse Part Number ATD 100 BP or Moroso between the negative battery terminal and
                            Part Number 74103. cable.


                            NOTE
                            DO NOT USE A TEST LIGHT OR A VOLT METER
                            AS A CHECK FOR EVIDENCE OF CURRENT
                            FLOW. A TEST LIGHT WILL NOT ACCURATELY
                            DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF CURRENT FLOW.
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                            TSB 05-22-9 (Continued)
                            13. Wake the electrical system up by depressing a. Lincoln LS - Fuses 4.01 through 4.18
                            the lock or unlock button on the key fob.
                            b. Thunderbird - Fuses 4.17 through 4.41 Observe the reading on the DVOM. The current
                            flow will “jump” momentarily then after 1-2
                            NOTE


                            minutes settle to the level listed below (a). REMOVING AND REINSTALLING FUSES 2.20 (LS
                            Actual readings may vary slightly depending on AND THUNDERBIRD) AND 4.14 (LS ONLY),
                            vehicle equipment, battery condition, ambient DURING THE FOLLOWING TESTS WILL PROMPT
                            temperature and DVOM: THE SYSTEM TO “WAKE UP”. THE CURRENT
                            DRAIN ON THE METER WILL JUMP a. .85 amps (850mA) or less (Stand By Mode)
                            MOMENTARILY FOR 1-2 MINUTES THEN
                            b. .035 amps (35mA) or less after 45 minutes SLOWLY DECREASE TO PREVIOUSLY
                            minimum (Power Down Mode) MEASURED LEVELS.
                            14. During Stand By Mode, current drain readings
                            NOTE


                            of 850mA or less indicate the vehicle is DO NOT REMOVE THE LARGE AMPERAGE
                            performing normally. However, the concern may CARTRIDGE FUSES OR ANY RELAYS FROM
                            be intermittent in nature. Set the MIN/MAX THE RPDB. BY DOING SO POWER WILL BE
                            feature on the DVOM and periodically check LOST TO MULTIPLE FUSES, RELAYS AND
                            the meter for evidence of excessive current COMPONENTS ALL AT THE SAME TIME. THIS
                            drain. The MIN/MAX feature will record the TEST IS ATTEMPTING TO LOCATE THE
                            highest measured current reading. BATTERY CURRENT DRAIN AS CLOSE TO THE
                            COMPONENT LEVEL AS POSSIBLE.
                            15. An electrical system that is operating normally
                            will power down to 35mA or less after 45
                            NOTE


                            minutes minimum. However, it may not be DO NOT REMOVE FUSES 4.23, 4.24, 4.27, 4.32
                            necessary to wait for Power Down Mode to (LS) - 4.10, 4.15, 4.27, 4.28 (THUNDERBIRD) OR
                            begin diagnosing the source of excessive SSP RELAYS 1, 2, 3, 4 DURING STAND BY
                            battery current drain. For example: A current MODE. REMOVING THESE FUSES AND RELAYS
                            drain reading of 2.5 amps is observed during WILL LESSEN BATTERY CURRENT DRAIN
                            Stand By Mode. Knowing a normal system will BECAUSE YOU HAVE REMOVED POWER TO
                            measure 850mA current drain, we can estimate THE REM AND FEM DURING STAND BY MODE.
                            the suspect component is consuming 1.65 DO NOT FALSELY DIAGNOSE A REM OR FEM
                            amps from the system. PROBLEM AS A RESULT OF THIS ACTIVITY.
                            16. With the Wiring Diagrams Manual and Owner 18. If the current drain is not discovered in the
                            Guide easily accessible, begin to track the 1.65 RPDB move to the Central Junction Box (CJB),
                            amps excess drain by removing fuses one at a located behind the Right Interior Kick Panel.
                            time until the battery current drain drops to an Remove the mini-fuses one at a time, 2.01
                            acceptable level. Once the problem fuse is through 2.35, while checking the meter for
                            found, use the EVTM to guide you through the current drain drop. If current drain does not
                            schematic identifying all potential components drop down to 850mA, leave the fuse out and
                            or circuits. The complexity of the vehicle makes move on to the next. If the current drain does
                            it impossible to diagnose the source of current drop, proceed to Step 20.
                            drain without the appropriate model year Wiring
                            19. If the current drain cannot be located in the Diagrams Manual.
                            RPDB or CJB, continue to the Auxiliary
                            17. Start diagnosis in the Rear Power Distribution Junction Box (AJB) located in the engine
                            Box (RPDB) located in the trunk. Remove the compartment. All fuses in the AJB are hot at all
                            smaller amperage mini-fuses, listed below by times. Start by removing the mini-fuses 1.01
                            vehicle, one at a time while checking the meter through 1.12. If current drain does not drop
                            for current drain drop. If current drain does not down to 850mA, leave the fuses out and move
                            drop down to 850mA, leave the fuse out and on to cartridge fuses 1.13 through 1.24. If
                            move on to the next. Continue to remove current drain does not drop to 850mA, remove
                            mini-fuses until all are removed from the RPDB. the relays from the AJB and check for current
                            If the current drain does drop to an acceptable drain drop. If the current drain does drop,
                            level, proceed to Step 20. If the current drain is proceed to Step 20.
                            unaffected, proceed to Step 18.
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                            TSB 05-22-9 (Continued)
                            20. If the excess current drain is discovered when
                            USING THE NGS CLASSIC TO CHECK FOR


                            removing any of these fuses or relays, use the
                            UNWANTED ACTIVITY


                            Wiring Diagrams Manual, Section 13, to
                            This section advises how to use the NGS Classic determine the component and/or mini-fuses that
                            tester to check the SCP Link for this type of are wired downstream in the circuit. Remove
                            unwanted activity. The NGS Classic Service Card is those mini-fuses or disable those components
                            equipped with a SCP Link Monitor Tool which to help determine the root cause of the current
                            allows the technician the ability to monitor the drain. Use these findings to repair the vehicle
                            communication, or traffic, between all modules as needed and repeat the process starting at
                            equipped in the vehicle that use the SCP Link. Step 7 to verify the repair.
                            Many of the vehicle functions are accomplished as
                            NOTE
                            a result of the communication between modules.
                            IF IT’S DETERMINED THAT A MODULE IS THE


                            NOTE
                            SOURCE OF THE CURRENT DRAIN, SELF TEST
                            THE NGS Classic WILL CONSUME 507mA AT THE MODULE WITH A SCAN TOOL FOR CODES.
                            12.6V. IF MEASURING CURRENT DRAIN WITH ALSO CHECK THE MODULES AVAILABLE PIDS
                            THE NGS Classic INSTALLED, 507mA MUST BE INDEX FOR POSSIBLE ERRANT INPUTS THAT
                            SUBTRACTED FROM THE CURRENT DRAIN MAY BE CAUSING THE MODULE TO OPERATE
                            DISPLAYED ON THE DVOM TO DETERMINE THE ABNORMALLY.
                            ACTUAL AMOUNT.


                            By following this procedure, we have eliminated
                            1. Using NGS Classic Service Function Card
                            all potential sources of current drain while not


                            version 10.1 or higher, select SCP LINK
                            disturbing SSP relays 1 through 4 or power to


                            MONITOR TOOL from the main menu.
                            the REM and FEM. Continue to Step 21.


                            2. With the ignition key in the OFF position, 21. Cycle the key fob unlock button several times
                            connect the NGS Classic to the 16-pin Data to make certain the vehicle is “awake”. Leave
                            Link Connector. the vehicle unattended and observe the battery
                            drain after 45 minutes minimum. The vehicle 3. Select the SCP LINK MONITOR TOOL from
                            should have entered Power Down Mode by this the main menu and press the START key.
                            time which drops the current drain to 35mA or
                            less. 4. At this point, a normally operating vehicle
                            should have no messages present in the SCP
                            22. If the current drain is greater than 35mA, reach Link. If no messages are present, leave the
                            inside vehicle and turn on the Left Front Map NGS Classic connected to the vehicle and
                            Lamp (LS - button on the dome lamp assembly, periodically check for SCP activity. If the
                            Thunderbird - button on the rear view mirror). concern is intermittent, it may take some time
                            Does the lamp illuminate? before the suspect component behaves in an
                            • Yes - The FEM and REM are awake and the undesirable fashion. If a message is eventually
                            SSP relays are active. Continue to next observed, continue with Step 5 in this section.
                            section of this TSB Because of the excessive drain caused by the
                            NGS Classic, it may be necessary to connect a • No - The FEM and REM have Powered
                            battery charger to prevent a dead battery. Down. Return to Step 4 and repeat diagnosis
                            5. If messages are present, press the STOP key. 23. If the current drain is 35mA or less the vehicle
                            Scroll through the messages on the screen is operating normally at this time. However, the
                            using the scroll dial. The following information concern may be intermittent in nature. Continue
                            will be displayed in order on the NGS Classic. with the next section of this article.
                            Match this information with the data on the
                            Errant activity or a false “wake up” message
                            Message List found at the end of this article.


                            present in the SCP Link will not allow the
                            system to power down, or may wake up a
                            system that has been Powered Down. This
                            condition may be intermittent in nature.
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                            TSB 05-22-9 (Continued)
                            NOTE
                            For example, by turning on the headlamp switch the
                            ICM receives the command (input) from the switch WHEN USING THIS TOOL FOR 2003 - 2006
                            to activate all exterior lamps. The ICM does not VEHICLES, SOME OF THE MODULE CODES MAY
                            directly control the exterior lamps, but instead will NOT SHOW ON THE CHART. ENOUGH
                            send a message out over the SCP link telling the INFORMATION FROM THE SOURCE SHOULD BE
                            FEM and REM that the customer has requested all AVAILABLE FOR MODULE IDENTIFICATION AND
                            exterior lamps be turned on. The FEM will receive CIRCUIT AFFECTED. EXAMPLE: FCU = FRONT
                            this message and provide a ground activating all CONTROL UNIT (RADIO).
                            the lamps it has within its control in the front of the • FNCT (FUNCTION): Displays the two (2) digit ID
                            vehicle. Simultaneously, the REM will receive the that represents a category of function to be
                            same message over the SCP link requesting that all carried out by the module(s) receiving the
                            lamps in the rear of the vehicle associated with message. Match this ID with the Function column
                            headlamp operation be activated. on the message list
                            • SRC (SOURCE): Displays the module acronym NOTE


                            responsible for sending the SCP message. Match DO NOT PREMATURELY DETERMINE THAT THE
                            the module source displayed on the NGS Classic SOURCE MODULE IDENTIFIED IS THE CAUSE
                            to that on the source column of the message list OF THE BATTERY DRAIN CONDITION. IN MOST
                            CASES, THE MESSAGE CAN BE TRACED TO A •
                            DATA 01 - 06: Displays more specific information
                            FAULTY COMPONENT SENDING A FALSE INPUT related to the function. Match these characters
                            ON THE SCP LINK. THIS CONDITION MAY NOT with the data on columns 1-7 of the message list,
                            ALLOW A MODULE TO POWER DOWN. IF THE along with the source observed, to define the
                            ERRANT MESSAGE OCCURS AFTER POWER message being viewed on the NGS Classic
                            DOWN, IT MAY WAKE UP A SYSTEM THAT HAS • FLTR (FILTER): Displays the current status of the
                            POWERED DOWN. FILTER function. You may manipulate the NGS
                            Classic to capture messages that are sent from a 6. The following function keys are active when
                            particular or chosen module (Source) or Function. monitoring the SCP Link:
                            • RESET: Clears the screen while the monitor Compare the messages received on the NGS
                            is running Classic to the message list tables at the end of this
                            article. These will help determine the function, • FLTR: Turns the filter feature ON or OFF as
                            source and name of the message read from the indicated by the FLRT display in the upper
                            SCP Link. The message list tables provide all right screen
                            possible SCP Link messages listed in order by • SETUP: When SETUP is pressed, the filter
                            Source. Most messages are the result of an input to setup screen will appear. This will allow the
                            one module being transmitted to another module operator to specify the capture of only certain
                            that carries out a vehicle function. messages may messages by either its source (particular
                            contain information that commands a module to module) or function
                            perform a function, while other messages may
                            • START:The START key will start the NGS provide information related to vehicle status that will
                            Classic in monitor mode, and display all allow or not allow a function to be performed.
                            traffic on the link. The START key will now Depending on the command, a module may be able
                            be displayed as STOP. Pressing the STOP to accommodate the command entirely on its own
                            key will stop the monitor from reading any or it may require another module to operate in a
                            further traffic on the SCP link certain fashion to achieve the desired initial
                            command. This is all communicated through the NOTE


                            SCP Link. PRESSING THE START KEY AGAIN WILL CLEAR
                            THE SCREEN OF ALL CAPTURED MESSAGES.
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                            TSB 05-22-9 (Continued)
                            NOTE
                            1. Enter the SETUP menu and press the FNCT
                            key. THE NGS Classic WILL CONTINUOUSLY
                            CAPTURE MESSAGES BUT WILL ONLY DISPLAY
                            2. Use the scroll to select the desired function UP TO 100 MESSAGES AT ONE TIME. ONCE 100
                            from the message list and press Trigger. MESSAGES ARE STORED, THE FIRST
                            MESSAGE WILL BE DELETED FROM THE LIST. 3. Press the Cancel button to return to the monitor
                            THE MONITOR OPERATES ON THE “FIRST IN, screen.
                            FIRST OUT” PRINCIPAL.
                            4. Press the FLTR button to toggle the FLTR


                            NOTE
                            display in the upper right screen to on.
                            THE PCM AND ABS SHOULD NOT DISPLAY ANY
                            5. The NGS Classic will now display only FORM OF MESSAGE ACTIVITY WITH THE KEY
                            messages relating the Function you specified in IN THE OFF POSITION. IF ANY PCM OR ABS
                            the SETUP menu. MESSAGES ARE DETECTED AT THIS TIME,
                            CHECK FOR VOLTAGE ON CIRCUITS WHICH NOTE


                            SHOULD ONLY HAVE POWER WHEN THE KEY
                            GEM AND FEM ARE INTERCHANGEABLE IN THE IS ON OR IN THE CRANK POSITION.
                            FOLLOWING FIGURES.
                            USING THE NGS CLASSIC TO CAPTURE
                            WARRANTY STATUS:
                            Information Only MESSAGES FROM A PARTICULAR MODULE
                            OASIS CODES: 203000, 203100, 601300, 603300
                            If needed, the NGS Classic may be manipulated to
                            capture messages that are sent from a particular
                            module (source) or function. To setup the FLTR
                            feature to capture only messages sent by a module
                            use the following procedure:
                            1. Enter the SETUP menu and press the SRC
                            key.
                            2. Use the scroll to select the desired module and
                            press Trigger.
                            3. Press the Cancel button to return to the monitor
                            screen.
                            4. Press the FLTR button to toggle the FLTR
                            display in the upper right screen to on.
                            5. The NGS Classic will now display only
                            messages sent by the module that you
                            specified in the SETUP menu.


                            USING THE NGS CLASSIC TO CAPTURE
                            MESSAGES RELATED TO CERTAIN FUNCTIONS
                            Figure 1 - Article 05-22-9 To setup the FLTR feature to capture only
                            messages related to certain functions use the
                            following procedure:
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                            Figure 3 - Article 05-22-9
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                            Figure 5 - Article 05-22-9
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                            Figure 7 - Article 05-22-9
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                            • #15
                              Re: Battery Drain???

                              George, as you can see the info on tsb 05-22-9 did not post correctly in the forum. I hate to ask, but could you try again. Thanks, Ira

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