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    In the summer of 2007 I had just sold my 2004 Mitsubishi Spyder GTS (that depreciated more than I suspected it would), and was in the market for another car. One of my golfing buddies was in the same boat and and was looking at the Mustang GT convertible. Ultimately, he bought one at a cost of just over $31,000.
    Although I liked the Mustang I wanted something a little different and settled on a 2005 Thunderbird with 12,000 miles on it. I wanted Aztec gold or Bronze and settled on a Bronze I found that I negotiated down to $28,900.
    This week my golfing buddy announced that he was selling his Mustang with 38,000 miles on it and was surprised to learn that the retail value was only $21,500 or $19,600 as a trade in on the new car he is looking at. Obviously he didn't like the sound of a $10,000 loss.
    Since my T-Bird now has 49,500 miles on it, we have driven our cars about the same amount in the past couple of years. According to Kelly and some other sources, my car now has a retail value of $26,735 and just for kicks I checked out the local Ford dealer on the trade price for a new GT convertible and got a preliminary number of $26,500.
    That means I have lost $3,400 over the same couple of years. I have no desire to dump the T-Bird but I like the economics of the decision I made. I also think I have enjoyed the 'Bird more than I would have liked the Mustang.
    Bronzebird
    2020 CanAm Spyder
    2021 Subaru Outback

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    Re: Thunderbird economics

    You've done well, Rick. The main reason is that the original owner of you T-bird took the same $10,000 depreciation that your friend is experiencing. If you had bought your car new then you would have had the same experience.

    I'm really surprised you got such a good offer for it as a trade in.
    21 years, 174K miles, 48 States X 2 & DC, 9 Canadian provinces, 8 European countries, 3 Caribbean Islands, 3 Hawaiian Islands, 100+ National Park locations, 150+ T-bird events, 190+ retrobird diecasts/models, 13 TOTM pics & some very special friends...THANKS TBN !

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    • #3
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      Paul:

      Yes, you are correct. In fact he may have taken a bigger bath than $10,000 if he paid anywhere close to the $45,000 MSRP for the 'Bird.

      As far as the trade number, I didn't get too excited. As we all know, the amount allowed on trade is not the key number. The most important thing is the difference between the trade value and the ultimate price of the new car. The high trade number would probably be offset by holding the line closer to the MSRP on the new Mustang.

      It really doesn't matter as I plan on putting at least another 38,000 miles on the Thunderbird.

      Bronzebird
      2020 CanAm Spyder
      2021 Subaru Outback

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      • #4
        Re: Thunderbird economics

        And then there is the value of all the friends you made with the Thunderbird -- Priceless !!
        MartinB.

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        • #5
          Re: Thunderbird economics

          You've got that right, Martin!

          Rick, what is magic about 38K? Is that when your warranty runs out?
          21 years, 174K miles, 48 States X 2 & DC, 9 Canadian provinces, 8 European countries, 3 Caribbean Islands, 3 Hawaiian Islands, 100+ National Park locations, 150+ T-bird events, 190+ retrobird diecasts/models, 13 TOTM pics & some very special friends...THANKS TBN !

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          • #6
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            I'm guessing that my 2002 Bird is worth about $15,000 right now. It has 90K on it so I think the low valus iis pretty realistic. I bought it new and paid full list, (just under 40 grand), as it was on those very early days when people were paying up to $10,000 over list. That means my car has depreciated about $25,000 over 8 years or about $3000 a year. I also believe the car has pretty much bottomed out now and will stay fairly stady for the next few years.

            $3000/year is really pretty good value, and the friends and fun factor has been beyond value. Had I waited a year and paid $10000 less, the yearly depreciation would be about $2100, a terrific value for the money.

            While I would have theroretucally saved $900/year, I would have missed that first year and not been involved in Destin, all the other Atlanta Group activities. I have had absolutely no regrets and nothing but fun fun fun.
            Unbelivable TBN trips including ALL of the lower 48 States plus 9 Canadian Provinces, 8 European Countries, 3 Caribbean Countries, Countless National Parks and have attended well over 100 TBN Events since 2001 and counting. Best of all ... fabulous friends.

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            • #7
              Re: Thunderbird economics

              Originally posted by 2K2BIRD View Post
              You've got that right, Martin!
              Rick, what is magic about 38K? Is that when your warranty runs out?

              Paul... no magic. It will probably take me another two or three years to put that amount of additional miles on. By then I'll be 74 and I may not even pass the driving test when my license expires then.

              My Ford Extended warranty runs to 100,000 miles so maybe that ought to be a target for me.

              Bronzebird
              2020 CanAm Spyder
              2021 Subaru Outback

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              • #8
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                15AGAIN has over 93K miles on it and I purchased new in 2001 at sticker price. I retired in 2004 and my retirement would not be near as much fun if I did not drive 15AGAIN to all the events and travels. I will be 70 next year and am planning a road trip to the northwest US along with an Alaskan cruise next August. Right now I have no health problems and will continue to travel until I do have problems. Using David A numbers, the fun, enjoyment and the friends made "PRICELESS".
                Birds of the 48
                15AGAIN has been in 48 States and 9 Canadian Provinces. Travelled many miles with great friends-- "Priceless"

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                • #9
                  Re: Thunderbird economics

                  How does one acquire one of those U S maps to fill in the various states one's Thunderbird has taken them to?
                  We've had ours only 3 years but it's been around.
                  Before the '05 our '65 convertible has taken us to a number of states also.
                  Thanks,
                  Randy
                  Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Ben Franklin

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                  • #10
                    Re: Thunderbird economics

                    Originally posted by bronzebird View Post
                    That means I have lost $3,400 over the same couple of years.
                    I think it's even better Rick. You only lost $2,400 over the same couple of years.
                    Sometimes Birds travel far...
                    Dutch T-Bird
                    tbirdregistry.com No. 27947

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                    • #11
                      Re: Thunderbird economics

                      Originally posted by NotU View Post
                      How does one acquire one of those U S maps to fill in the various states one's Thunderbird has taken them to?
                      We've had ours only 3 years but it's been around.
                      Before the '05 our '65 convertible has taken us to a number of states also.
                      Thanks,
                      Randy
                      Randy, I did a graphics search on the internet for USA map and came up with a number of choices to use. Then I used a graphics program to "fill" in the states with selected color.
                      Limited Edition databases for 007 msg..#26 , PCR sticky, and Cashmere msg.#64
                      ......

                      Porthole Authority


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                      • #12
                        Re: Thunderbird economics

                        Randy, Go to "mytriplogs.com"
                        Birds of the 48
                        15AGAIN has been in 48 States and 9 Canadian Provinces. Travelled many miles with great friends-- "Priceless"

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                        • #13
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                          Thanks, Bill, I'll give it a try.
                          Randy
                          Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Ben Franklin

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by FritsB View Post
                            I think it's even better Rick. You only lost $2,400 over the same couple of years.
                            Okay.... okay. So I can't subtract.

                            I've never been too good at taking things away... my wife says I'm always adding things.... especially weight!.

                            Bronzebird
                            2020 CanAm Spyder
                            2021 Subaru Outback

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                            • #15
                              Re: Thunderbird economics

                              Originally posted by NotU View Post
                              How does one acquire one of those U S maps to fill in the various states one's Thunderbird has taken them to?
                              We've had ours only 3 years but it's been around.
                              Before the '05 our '65 convertible has taken us to a number of states also.
                              Thanks,
                              Randy
                              Hey Randy: What was the colour of your '65 convertible. I used to own a '65 conv. that was almost the same colour as your retro '05. Would be nice to see those two together with 40 years of separation. Think it was called 'Palomino Gold" with tan top and tan interior. Will try to attach a picture.
                              Martinb.

                              ps. Talking about losing money, I don't think I lost any on that car. Last time I saw it was at an auction last year in Toronto. Sold for around '''''''''$45,000.00
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